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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Zack Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that the set of &quot;inputs&quot; that are &lt;i&gt;intrinsically harmful&lt;/i&gt; to the development of moral character is either nonexistent or so small as to be negligible.

What harms said development, in my view, is mostly restricting one&#039;s reading/watching/hearing to a limited range of perspectives, or &lt;i&gt;uncritical&lt;/i&gt; consumption of any particular item; and the critical eye is itself best developed by exposure to a wide range of content.  Therefore, I&#039;m primarily concerned with the &lt;i&gt;breadth&lt;/i&gt; of what my hypothetical child takes in, rather than any particular thing it may or may not contain, and I mean to make a point of discussing everything with them.

Could you give some examples of material that you would consider intrinsically harmful to children&#039;s moral development?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the set of &#8220;inputs&#8221; that are <i>intrinsically harmful</i> to the development of moral character is either nonexistent or so small as to be negligible.</p>
<p>What harms said development, in my view, is mostly restricting one&#8217;s reading/watching/hearing to a limited range of perspectives, or <i>uncritical</i> consumption of any particular item; and the critical eye is itself best developed by exposure to a wide range of content.  Therefore, I&#8217;m primarily concerned with the <i>breadth</i> of what my hypothetical child takes in, rather than any particular thing it may or may not contain, and I mean to make a point of discussing everything with them.</p>
<p>Could you give some examples of material that you would consider intrinsically harmful to children&#8217;s moral development?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Gervase Markham</title>
		<link>http://www.owlfolio.org/research/ethics-filter-prevention/#comment-2976</link>
		<dc:creator>Gervase Markham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am fascinated that you would prevent your child watching a particular movie for practical reasons (&quot;school tomorrow&quot;) but not for the reason that you thought the content was in itself inappropriate or immoral or corrupting. My reading of your comment is that you barely admit the existence of the category. It seems to me that this can be for only one of three reasons; either a) you don&#039;t believe that what a child watches, reads or hears has any effect on the formation of their moral character, or b) you have no interest in your child forming a particular moral character, but are content to let it be formed by the action of whatever inputs he or she happens to come into contact with; or c) you think there&#039;s no such thing as &quot;moral character&quot; (and therefore, it would seem to me, deny the existence of morality in general).

Which is it? Or is there a d) I&#039;ve missed?

Gerv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am fascinated that you would prevent your child watching a particular movie for practical reasons (&#8220;school tomorrow&#8221;) but not for the reason that you thought the content was in itself inappropriate or immoral or corrupting. My reading of your comment is that you barely admit the existence of the category. It seems to me that this can be for only one of three reasons; either a) you don&#8217;t believe that what a child watches, reads or hears has any effect on the formation of their moral character, or b) you have no interest in your child forming a particular moral character, but are content to let it be formed by the action of whatever inputs he or she happens to come into contact with; or c) you think there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;moral character&#8221; (and therefore, it would seem to me, deny the existence of morality in general).</p>
<p>Which is it? Or is there a d) I&#8217;ve missed?</p>
<p>Gerv</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Zack Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.owlfolio.org/research/ethics-filter-prevention/#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the opposite; I find the Arishat scenarios more interesting, and I can&#039;t at present think of &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; scenarios where I would support Cato over Brutus, which is why the only principle in my list for Cato vs Brutus online is basically that Brutus wins.

Even in the parent/child case, the furthest I would ever go with my own (hypothetical) child is &quot;That book will make more sense to you when you&#039;re older.  If you really want to read it now, you can try, and I&#039;ll try to explain anything that doesn&#039;t make sense, but I may not be able to make it make sense.&quot;  Or perhaps &quot;No, you may not watch that scary movie right now, because you have school tomorrow, and the last time you watched a scary movie you didn&#039;t get any sleep the night afterward.  Maybe on the weekend.&quot;  I have a good deal of faith in my hypothetical children&#039;s ability to handle stuff, I guess.

I&#039;d be interested to hear Cato/Brutus scenarios that &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; think are interesting, though.  It is quite possible that I am missing something important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the opposite; I find the Arishat scenarios more interesting, and I can&#8217;t at present think of <i>any</i> scenarios where I would support Cato over Brutus, which is why the only principle in my list for Cato vs Brutus online is basically that Brutus wins.</p>
<p>Even in the parent/child case, the furthest I would ever go with my own (hypothetical) child is &#8220;That book will make more sense to you when you&#8217;re older.  If you really want to read it now, you can try, and I&#8217;ll try to explain anything that doesn&#8217;t make sense, but I may not be able to make it make sense.&#8221;  Or perhaps &#8220;No, you may not watch that scary movie right now, because you have school tomorrow, and the last time you watched a scary movie you didn&#8217;t get any sleep the night afterward.  Maybe on the weekend.&#8221;  I have a good deal of faith in my hypothetical children&#8217;s ability to handle stuff, I guess.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to hear Cato/Brutus scenarios that <i>you</i> think are interesting, though.  It is quite possible that I am missing something important.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Zack Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.owlfolio.org/research/ethics-filter-prevention/#comment-2973</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really good question, and I don&#039;t have a good answer for it.  In a better world, where people all lived under jurisdictions that they were personally comfortable with, it would be logical to say that the jurisdiction of the writer applies.  But that&#039;s very much not the world we have, and the &quot;Arishat wants to write something that Arishat&#039;s own government disapproves of&quot; scenario is, alas, going to remain relevant to these discussions going forward.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The hosting provider for this site&lt;/a&gt;, under limited circumstances and with great caution, will &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/faq#Anonymous&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;provide anonymous hosting for people not resident in the USA&lt;/a&gt; where the content to be hosted &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/terms#tcontent&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is critical of [the author&#039;s] government in a manner that would be Constitutionally protected speech in the United States&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;  (&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/faq#CourtOrder&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Further elaboration&lt;/a&gt;.)  I don&#039;t know, at all, how this plays out in practice; but I find it an interesting case study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really good question, and I don&#8217;t have a good answer for it.  In a better world, where people all lived under jurisdictions that they were personally comfortable with, it would be logical to say that the jurisdiction of the writer applies.  But that&#8217;s very much not the world we have, and the &#8220;Arishat wants to write something that Arishat&#8217;s own government disapproves of&#8221; scenario is, alas, going to remain relevant to these discussions going forward.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/" rel="nofollow">The hosting provider for this site</a>, under limited circumstances and with great caution, will <a href="https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/faq#Anonymous" rel="nofollow">provide anonymous hosting for people not resident in the USA</a> where the content to be hosted &#8220;<a href="https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/terms#tcontent" rel="nofollow">is critical of [the author&#8217;s] government in a manner that would be Constitutionally protected speech in the United States</a>.&#8221;  (<a href="https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/faq#CourtOrder" rel="nofollow">Further elaboration</a>.)  I don&#8217;t know, at all, how this plays out in practice; but I find it an interesting case study.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Zack Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, an actual troll in my post about, among other things, how to deal with trolls!  ... The line between legitimate moderator actions and suppressing criticism deserves an entire post of its own, though.  For right now, I&#039;ll just leave the above as a demonstration of what I think is appropriate given the technology available to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, an actual troll in my post about, among other things, how to deal with trolls!  &#8230; The line between legitimate moderator actions and suppressing criticism deserves an entire post of its own, though.  For right now, I&#8217;ll just leave the above as a demonstration of what I think is appropriate given the technology available to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by cyberpunk</title>
		<link>http://www.owlfolio.org/research/ethics-filter-prevention/#comment-2948</link>
		<dc:creator>cyberpunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qba&#039;g cbfg qhzo fghss.
Gunaxf!

&lt;strong&gt;MODERATOR HAT ON: This level of rudeness is unacceptable.  Your comment has been rot13ed.  If you continue to attack other posters rather than contributing to the discussion you will be blocked. --zw&lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qba&#8217;g cbfg qhzo fghss.<br />
Gunaxf!</p>
<p><strong>MODERATOR HAT ON: This level of rudeness is unacceptable.  Your comment has been rot13ed.  If you continue to attack other posters rather than contributing to the discussion you will be blocked. &#8211;zw</strong></p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Zack Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.owlfolio.org/research/ethics-filter-prevention/#comment-2946</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not an accident that practically all of my Cato-vs-Arishat scenarios involved the courts: since no later than the invention of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_%28law%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;equity&lt;/a&gt; the court system has been how this class of argument gets resolved, and for the most part---concerns of expense and political abuse aside---it&#039;s pretty damn good at it!  Refusing to consider the possibility that legal process might be the best available tool for the job is a case of NIH syndrome.  That said, I sympathize with the argument that the legal system of any given country has to be considered potentially hostile---but I don&#039;t think it will work to design the system so that the courts get &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; say.  If nothing else, that is the kind of attitude that gets your whole business sanctioned.

I do &lt;i&gt;NOT&lt;/i&gt; sympathize with the notion that Cato&#039;s only recourse should be to publish a rebuttal.  That just plain doesn&#039;t work.  Arishat may have a much bigger megaphone, or Cato may be in a position where anything he could say would only make the situation worse.

I also don&#039;t (for purposes of this discussion, anyway) agree with the notion that Cato should have total, unauditable control over his own publication space.  That leads directly to the situation where Cato deletes every comment that disagrees with him even a little; which can be a big deal even when Cato is a private citizen (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.fandomwank.com/index.php/Baleet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;baleeting&quot; in the context of online flamewars&lt;/a&gt;) and is definitely unacceptable when Cato is, say, a government running a forum that is &lt;i&gt;supposed&lt;/i&gt; to be for debate of its policies, but could easily turn into an echo chamber of yes-men.

By the way, I just edited your post to correct a typo (Arishat is a she).  I &lt;i&gt;could have&lt;/i&gt; modified your text to make you sound like a caricature of yourself, and Wordpress wouldn&#039;t show any evidence that it hadn&#039;t always been that way.  I didn&#039;t, but I could have.  Are you really happy with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not an accident that practically all of my Cato-vs-Arishat scenarios involved the courts: since no later than the invention of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_%28law%29" rel="nofollow">equity</a> the court system has been how this class of argument gets resolved, and for the most part&#8212;concerns of expense and political abuse aside&#8212;it&#8217;s pretty damn good at it!  Refusing to consider the possibility that legal process might be the best available tool for the job is a case of NIH syndrome.  That said, I sympathize with the argument that the legal system of any given country has to be considered potentially hostile&#8212;but I don&#8217;t think it will work to design the system so that the courts get <i>no</i> say.  If nothing else, that is the kind of attitude that gets your whole business sanctioned.</p>
<p>I do <i>NOT</i> sympathize with the notion that Cato&#8217;s only recourse should be to publish a rebuttal.  That just plain doesn&#8217;t work.  Arishat may have a much bigger megaphone, or Cato may be in a position where anything he could say would only make the situation worse.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t (for purposes of this discussion, anyway) agree with the notion that Cato should have total, unauditable control over his own publication space.  That leads directly to the situation where Cato deletes every comment that disagrees with him even a little; which can be a big deal even when Cato is a private citizen (see <a href="http://wiki.fandomwank.com/index.php/Baleet" rel="nofollow">&#8220;baleeting&#8221; in the context of online flamewars</a>) and is definitely unacceptable when Cato is, say, a government running a forum that is <i>supposed</i> to be for debate of its policies, but could easily turn into an echo chamber of yes-men.</p>
<p>By the way, I just edited your post to correct a typo (Arishat is a she).  I <i>could have</i> modified your text to make you sound like a caricature of yourself, and WordPress wouldn&#8217;t show any evidence that it hadn&#8217;t always been that way.  I didn&#8217;t, but I could have.  Are you really happy with that?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Zack Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.owlfolio.org/research/ethics-filter-prevention/#comment-2945</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to think the &quot;instructions for constructing something very dangerous&quot; scenario is overblown.  There is no equivalent in microbiology for the turnkey exploits that we&#039;re used to in computer security.  I know people who do &quot;DIY genetic engineering&quot; in their kitchens; it requires a nontrivial investment in equipment, a bunch of background knowledge to even know what the instructions mean, and a fair bit of practice to make anything interesting happen.  Right now, I may be being overoptimistic about the goodwill of microbiologists worldwide toward humanity in general, but I think that anyone who &lt;i&gt;wanted&lt;/i&gt; to make a deadly, contagious virus probably couldn&#039;t do anything with the instructions even if they had them, and anyone who has the skill and the equipment to do something with the instructions probably doesn&#039;t want to.

Now, if we ever get &lt;i&gt;Diamond Age&lt;/i&gt; style matter compilers, this will become a much more serious issue---but at that point I would advocate that it is hopeless to try to police the use of the devices, and we should work instead toward a society where no one is so disgruntled that they want to take out a city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to think the &#8220;instructions for constructing something very dangerous&#8221; scenario is overblown.  There is no equivalent in microbiology for the turnkey exploits that we&#8217;re used to in computer security.  I know people who do &#8220;DIY genetic engineering&#8221; in their kitchens; it requires a nontrivial investment in equipment, a bunch of background knowledge to even know what the instructions mean, and a fair bit of practice to make anything interesting happen.  Right now, I may be being overoptimistic about the goodwill of microbiologists worldwide toward humanity in general, but I think that anyone who <i>wanted</i> to make a deadly, contagious virus probably couldn&#8217;t do anything with the instructions even if they had them, and anyone who has the skill and the equipment to do something with the instructions probably doesn&#8217;t want to.</p>
<p>Now, if we ever get <i>Diamond Age</i> style matter compilers, this will become a much more serious issue&#8212;but at that point I would advocate that it is hopeless to try to police the use of the devices, and we should work instead toward a society where no one is so disgruntled that they want to take out a city.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Gervase Markham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gervase Markham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your synthesis doesn&#039;t seem to do anything with the &quot;Brutus is a child, Cato is his father&quot; scenario. Is that intentional?

I think that these scenarios get far more interesting when you consider the relationship between Brutus and Cato than when you are thinking about Arisha and Cato.

Gerv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your synthesis doesn&#8217;t seem to do anything with the &#8220;Brutus is a child, Cato is his father&#8221; scenario. Is that intentional?</p>
<p>I think that these scenarios get far more interesting when you consider the relationship between Brutus and Cato than when you are thinking about Arisha and Cato.</p>
<p>Gerv</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of preventing third-party net filtering by Tony Mechelynck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Mechelynck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as a follow-up to what Justin said: if Arishat, Brutus and Cato are from three different countries, which court(s) shall judge the case? And (considering the laws and customs about extradition, where most countries are reluctant to extradite their nationals), if a single case is tried in Arisha&#039;s country in favour of Arisha, in Brutus&#039;s country in favour of Brutus, and in Cato&#039;s country in favour of Cato, what will happen then?

BTW, I may trust the Belgian courts (i.e. the courts of my country), but I&#039;m far from certain that I would trust a US court in a case between me and, hm, let&#039;s say Microsoft or Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as a follow-up to what Justin said: if Arishat, Brutus and Cato are from three different countries, which court(s) shall judge the case? And (considering the laws and customs about extradition, where most countries are reluctant to extradite their nationals), if a single case is tried in Arisha&#8217;s country in favour of Arisha, in Brutus&#8217;s country in favour of Brutus, and in Cato&#8217;s country in favour of Cato, what will happen then?</p>
<p>BTW, I may trust the Belgian courts (i.e. the courts of my country), but I&#8217;m far from certain that I would trust a US court in a case between me and, hm, let&#8217;s say Microsoft or Google.</p>
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